It takes intentional deception or just plain ignorance to believe that our Founding Fathers intended or would tolerate any restrictions on religion. They did place heavy restrictions on Government…. restrictions that have been blatantly and repeatedly violated, shredded, burned, beaten, stabbed, electrocuted and sodomized by government.
In a total ‘mind-twisting event’ for the secular-left, the Founding Fathers actually brought religion and government together… and not in some obscure secret passage, but in the very first sentence of the very first amendment of the Bill Of Rights. THIS is where one finds America’s Freedom of Religion clause…right above (or “just before”) the Freedom of Speech clause. And to suggest that this placement was unintentional or is insignificant is either foolish or dishonest (or both).
But what really insults the ‘elite’ secular intelligencia is that the Founding Fathers included only ONE RULE: “Leave religion alone.” That’s it. Government was forbidden from making any law that had anything to do with religion… AND Government was further forbidden from interfering with the free exercise of religion…in any way. No exceptions. Not then, not now and not in the future. None. Zero. Nada.
And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is ‘The Wall‘ that Thomas Jefferson referenced in his famous letter to the Danbury Baptists. The wall was to protect religion from government…NOT vice versa….as has been so grossly and intentionally mischaracterized. But it makes no difference because Jefferson’s letter is not the constitution anyway.
And the original language contained in the constitution is not at all ambiguous: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
What’s so difficult about that? Nothing is what. It is only convoluted by those who seek to undermine this freedom—because they don’t like it.
Well, no matter if you like it or not…. and no matter how hard you try, you cannot separate politics and religion. More importantly, and contrary to the secular-left hand-wringers who hyperventilate at the mere thought of Christians… the result is not ‘one extreme or the other.’ In fact, even in the perfect Judeo-Christian world, Judeo-Christian teachings do not call for a theocracy, nor should it. But no one has EVER addressed this highly volatile subject more beautifully or more wisely than our Founding Fathers.
Our founders created a balance that would endure for over 200 years…in what would become the greatest nation ever created by man.
From ‘Zero to Superpower’ in less than 2 Centuries is fast.
From Zero to a Superpower in less than 2 Centuries flat? That is absolutely astonishing… by ANY standards.
But what made this government system so special was not only the integrity of some of the most brilliant minds in history coming together—but the two primary ingredients contained in the blueprints: God and freedom.
No civilization in the history of the world has ever experienced such a rapid rise from creation to global super-power. Ever. Now of course, there is no perfect government….but the government set up by our Founding Fathers is by far, the closest thing to it.
And there has never been a close second.
European Exceptionalism? lol.
Ever heard the phrase European Exceptionalism?
— and you won’t
To further illustrate the point… we’re going to use an old parlor trick known as common sense (which was eventually replaced by the iPad).
America was not an accident. Our Founding Fathers studied past civilizations and past styles of governments meticulously and honestly (extra emphasis on honestly). Their only agenda was freedom—and how best to insure this freedom for future generations.
Our Founding Fathers did not ban books or ideologies, they studied them all— and learned from them all— some ‘what to do’ and some ‘what not to do.’ They studied ideas that were failures, ideas that were successes and ideas that were near misses.
Our founding Fathers did not embrace the Judeo-Christian principles because they were religious zealots, they embraced the Judeo-Christian principles because they are the principles of goodness, the principles of morality and the principles of justice.
This is why our Founding Fathers wisely created this amazing republic (not a democracy as so many government-educated Americans erroneously believe).
US Capitol 1920
The founders also wisely implemented our current system of the ‘three branches of government’, which takes its roots from…SURPRISE…. the Judeo-Christian Bible. Yes, the Bible.
“For the Lord is our judge (judicial branch) the Lord is our lawgiver (legislative branch), the Lord is our king (executive branch); He will save us” (Isaiah 33:22)
Look it up. We’ll be here when you get back.
Now, if you actually read the U.S. constitution—- its purpose is clear: To restrain government, not it’s citizens.
In writing this magnificent constitution, the founders looked to the recent history of the time… the Church of England. The problem was not religion… the problem was government interference with religion.
Abraham Lincoln’s Bible
And some things never change…
So fast forward almost two centuries—> in order to implement restrictions on this heinous religious thing… the ‘anti-God forces’ would need to circumvent the founder’s language in the constitution language.
So in 1947, knowing that ‘Congress’ could NEVER make any law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”—they turned to an activist court system to legislate from the bench.
Despite all the grand achievements of the founders, and although not apparent for over 200 years—- there was a flaw—a tiny crack in the boat that over-time could sink the entire ship:
The Founding Fathers failed to anticipate a rogue court system.
The language “Congress shall make no law” was specifically used because the Founding Fathers empowered and recognized ONLY Congress as the ‘law-making’ legislative branch — NOT the aforementioned ‘agenda-driven’ activist judges– who believe God to be merely unwelcome competition.
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Cambrian Era fossils caused Darwin some doubts about his own theories,
Don’t force your religious beliefs on me” says the school system who intentionally ignores the Cambrian era fossils while glorifying the theories of Charles Darwin.
What kind of open, honest, evolved and rational thought process can possibly defend banning even the discussion of the most historically significant book EVER from our schools? And I’m talking about the bible.
What other historical entity has survived thousands of years of attacks, ridicule and scrutiny? How is this not worthy of respect? Especially from scholars and academics?
Is there no honest quest for truth? Does wisdom no longer call?
Our schools teach the “theories of Chales Darwin” yet not a word of ‘the Cambrian Era’, which caused Darwin himself to have doubts about his theory of evolution.
At which level of Darwinian evolution do we actually “achieve open minds’ so that we stop censoring ideas, facts and assorted historical data that disagree with and/or disprove our selected agenda?
In closing…
The primary arguments against ‘freedom of religion’ in America today are these:
This irrational fear of a theocracy, which is total crap—a baseless argument, again grounded in total ignorance. Unlike Islam, the Judeo-Christian bible teaches it’s followers to follow the laws of man… it is not remotely intended to serve as a governmental model. We believe God would not have given us ‘free will’ had he intended to micro-manage our affairs.. So God absolutely instructs us to obey man’s laws unless they violate God’s laws, and….- The insincere fear of offending other religions and non-believers. Those that are offended by our traditions, our symbols and our heritage are welcome to close their eyes, turn their heads, leave or kiss a donkey if one is available.. No society should be forbidden from celebrating it’s traditions for fear of offending newcomers. That’s insane. Eighty percent of Americans still describe themselves as Christian, so we’re still the majority today, like we were in 1776.
politics.” Personally I’m glad our Founding Fathers disagreed. I now leave you with our newest music video, Everlasting Rock. If you like it please share!
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Oustanding, simply outstanding. Bravo Zulu.
I second what “neenergyobserver” said…
But I’ll add that I would stand and applaud.
I’ve never seen “one article” in such simple and straight forward terms challenge and decimate so many of the Elite liberal “myths.’…
Joe Dan Gorman is not just a talented song writer, singer, musician, and video composer, Joe Dan Gorman Is an intelligent, logical, educated, informed, communicator who knows how to use words, images, and music to encourage, motivate, educate, and console. But, Joe Dan Gorman is NOT timid. He is not scared to offend someone because they are uninformed or mistaken. He is willing to help expand the offended’s world so that they can understand they have no grounds for offense. Joe Dan Gorman has opinions, most are well thought out, based on real history, and his observations of societal functioning. i am sure he has some wrong ideas or opinions, I have not observed him present them however.
Many of our so-called leaders could learn from this guy, who appears to be as our founding gathers, well read and learned.
And I’ll second that, standing and applauding.
Many of our so-called leaders could learn from this guy, who appears to be as our founding FATHERS, well read and learned. 9Correction)
Childish gibberish!!!
Wow…. add a verb, and you have a complete sentence.
How about instead of providing generalized insults of a buffoon—you pick one point and explain why it is gibberish.
“How about instead of” being a dumb ass, you learn to recognize something that is vague, distorted, and pretentious, – GIBBERISH.
“vague, distorted, and pretentious, – GIBBERISH.” Nikita is recognized….
Both Brian and Nikita are recognized—-> as bitter dumb-asses, incapable of defending or even articulating their position against ANY of the specific examples contained in the very reasoned piece—SO….. as lefty jackasses do, they toss generalized insults.
Ignorance is one thing… but ‘hostile & voluntary ignorance’ is quite another.
The most spiritually devoid are those who invent gods that justify their prejudices, hatereds, and conceits. The smugness of those who praise the above claptrap is deeply offensive to those of us who believe that spirituallity is personal, quiet, and dignified.
Pedro… who’s inventing Gods here?
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I have a similar post up over at my place. Drop by when you have a moment.
Joe Dan Gorman is one of my new favorite writers…. (along with with Victor Davis, Thomas Sowell, Greg Gutfield). He’s a brilliant down to earth communicator who kicks ‘bullshit’s a$$’ with common sense and facts.
Outstanding insight..
Bible babble and attacks on Darwin please little minds that can’t grasp their place in nature. Furthermore, there are no historical facts or even the thinnest evidence that the Constitution’s authors modeled our government on biblical passages. This is pure bullshit manufactured for the pleasure of bible-thumpers. Gorman challenges readers to “look it up.” Why doesn’t he just provide us with credible historical references that support his contention that our government is biblical in origin. The key word here is ‘credible’, don’t give me a list of stuff written by other right-wing Christian facists. I side with Nikita; vague, distorted, and pretentious. This type of scholarly sounding nonsense irks me because it appeals to people that are incapable of critical thinking and thus perpetuates their ignorance.
Best and most lucid statement in this thread. All thumbs up for Pedro!!!
Facists? It is actually a tad comical when angry anti-God folks use insulting words that don’t apply and they don’t even understand… to promote their hate-filled, ill-informed Book-Banning, point of view.
Disagreeing is NOT dis-proving.. And you guys have not disproven a single point. But we understand you disagree.
I actually welcome any ‘hard evidence’ you may have to prove me wrong…. Unlike you guys…I am honestly seeking truth.
Nothing I said is manufactured… Unlike you guys, I reference my sources. And just because you say it is wrong does not make it so… It is painfully clear that you are not familiar with either the Bible OR the constitution.
A good place for you to start would be ‘our Freedom of Religion’ clause— it’s in the first amendment….of the group of amendments located in our Bill of rights….in our constitution.
And if you had ANY shred of intellectual honesty … you would look it up. Our 3 Branches of Government are indeed in the bible.
Thanks for visiting. Just put up a new article… you will likely enjoy it even more. “Only a fool dismisses God”
God bless…
Visit anytime… but we’d appreciate you leaving your profanities at home.
Again, you are the one making claims, Mr. Gorman, so the burden of proof is on you. If you can prove that the Founders intended no restrictions on religion, go ahead and prove it. I’ve studied the issue long and hard, and know that you can’t, but go ahead and prove me wrong.
Christians have been repeating the same mantras over and over again for years as a way of proposing the idea that our Founders trusted and respected religion so much that they based the US Constitution on the Christian bible. (which of many versions not specified.)
Our Founders understood very well the folly and danger of mixing religion with government, that is why they took such great care to create a clear separation. To claim otherwise requires extreme dishonesty.
The Declaration was a radical departure from the idea that the power to rule over other people comes from god. It was a letter from the Colonies to the English King, stating their intentions to seperate themselves. The Declaration is not a governing document. It mentions “Nature’s God” and “Divine Providence” and that’s the language of Deism, not Christianity.
The 1796 Treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was “not in any sense founded on the Christian religion” This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.
The argument can be made, and I will be happy to make it in an honest environment that had our Founders been bible believing Christians, there never would have been a revolution.
“…..Jesus did not mean to impose Himself on mankind as the Son of God, physically speaking, I have been convinced by the writings of men more learned than myself in the lore.” — Thomas Jefferson’s letter to William Short, August 4, 1820
“Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.” Thomas Jefferson
“What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.” James Madison
“. . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.” John Adams
“This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.” John Adams
“When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, ’tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.” Ben Franklin
“”. . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist.” Ben Franklin
Any honest person who seeks the truth will know without question that the Founders did not base the founding documents on the Christian bible, Christianity, or Christian beliefs. As to the “Judeo” part, that’s a recent notion for which there is even less basis.
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=180323
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Mr Gorman has done exactly what you challenged him to do. However…what you dismiss as “repeating the same mantras” is called evidence, facts and commonsense…which because of your irrational contempt for Christianity…you do not see…nor will you ever see.
And none of of these FACTS do you remotely disprove….
Religion is in the First Amendment… deal with it.
The law of the land is the US Constitution … NOT the random phrases (or later-dated treaties) cherry picked by you, anti-God folks. I.e. like the “wall phrase’ per the Thomas Jefferson’s Danbury Baptist letter. I’m sure you are aware of that….but I doubt you ever ready the letter in its entirety— Did you ever actually read the original letter FROM the Danbury’s to Jefferson. His letter was a reply to them—he did not initiate the communication…
What has Christianity EVER forced you to do? Or what was the most horrible thing Christianity is responsible for in America?
Why you mad? LOL
What makes charlatans like Gorman particularly pernicious is their willingness to promote bald faced lies among people who would rather believe in the existence of a supernatural being that has an abiding interest in their lives than have the courage to recognize that they are the masters of their own fate and live accordingly. He like most others in the religion business, especially those who prey on ‘evangelicals,’ are driven by ego and greed and know full well that they will never run of supplicants. Screeching at people like me to read the Bill of Rights is pure theater for his audience, because he knows damn well that it is unambiguous when it comes to separation of church and state and proves him to be a liar. God peddlers like Gorman are parasites incapable of earning an honest living.
Boomer… you sure are angry. That ain’t healthy, man. Take some deep breaths. We can talk about it if you want. Did you get hit by a church bus as a youngster? Exactly what evil WAS perpetrated on you by Christianity? Must have been heinous.
You call me a liar…but rather disprove ANY of my points—you just make personal attacks against me.
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So…here’s your homework… You can choose either
(a) Show the class exactly where ‘in the constitution’ that we can find your Separation of Church & State Clause… OR
(b) Explain to the Class why Freedom of Religion is in the First Amendment…and translate the following text:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
Your choice…
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Regarding your statement: “God peddlers like Gorman are parasites incapable of earning an honest living.”
Actually… the term “God Peddler” is kinda cool, can I use that? However…it’s not as lucrative as you might think—I do this just to meet people like yourself. God bless.
I think you guys are all taking this a little too personal. This is a serious debate and not a shouting contest. If you won’t take the time to consider the opposing view without lashing back aggressively, then there is no sense in communicating. You’ve already made up your mind and it doesn’t even matter what “facts” are out there.
I think both sides have great points to make, although I don’t really see too much I agree with in the foundation of this post. I do agree that our founding fathers were amazing people who came together at the right time, made enormous personal sacrifices, and selflessly made this world a better place. I believe that God played a role in that and that it was a divine moment in history.
I do want to point out our neighbors in the Middle East, who have failed to separate politics from religion. REMINDER: The subject of this debate is RELIGION, not CHURCH or CHRISTIANITY. Lets start with that.
The SEPARATION of Religion from State is what made us different (in my humble opinion). This doesn’t just protect Christianity. It protects all religions, so to argue that it is to preserve the Christian beliefs doesn’t really make much sense, does it? Did the founding fathers figure that only Christians would ever settle in America? I don’t think they were naive.
Do we want a government based on Christianity? If so, what form of Christianity? What sorts of laws should be passed and how should they be enforced? Will it look like Sharia Law? Similar? Will we force everyone to believe the same thing? Will we be aggressive in our enforcement or will we plead with people? What will this do for our society? Will we trust one another and feel safe?
I wonder why this was written in the first place. What sort of law passed that controls or even has anything to do with religion? I’m sort of confused of the entire purpose of this rant. What are you proposing, writer? And what is your grievance?